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bruce511 1 days ago [-]
>> I also know which code I could write with LLMs but I never check in LLM code. I could, but that would be cheating. I spend the hours writing code by hand.
Spoken like someone who charges by the hour.... you are incentivised to do things the slowest possible way...
Now, of course, slow might be better, or fast might be better, but you frame fast as "cheating" not as "inferior"... which is ... interesting..
codegeek 17 hours ago [-]
Exactly. I hired someone who was a good developer but he was charging hourly and extremely slow for what we needed. I am a software engineer (and a founder) myself so I get what it takes to write good code but I am no longer waiting for a dev to turn something around in 20 hours when I can use LLM to write it in 1 or less.
Going forward, I am no longer hiring hourly rate devs. Either fixed rate project or full time as needed. No hourly.
rozenmd 20 hours ago [-]
Charging by the hour was one of the worst things for my career (was just starting out). Never realised at the time that I was subconsciously doing a slower job and not trying to make it faster or really improve until I left.
zerr 16 hours ago [-]
> you are incentivised to do things the slowest possible way...
Not when you have long-term (multi-years) clients. It's basically a very flexible permanent job, where you are free to bill from 0 up to full 40 or more hours per week.
24 hours ago [-]
launchseed 13 hours ago [-]
Buyer side perspective: i'm 18, shipped a product this year. the rate was never what i was looking at. it was whether the person could tell me what something would cost before they built it. a dev who scopes accurately at $300/hr beats one at $150/hr who doesn't every time. the llm thing is a separate question. the code either holds up or it doesn't, how it got there is a methods question not a morality one.
maryamshafaqat 8 hours ago [-]
$300/hr does not sound cheap for coding it sounds cheap if clients are paying for deep experience reliability and business understanding on top of the code.
Lionga 24 hours ago [-]
Over 20 years of experience in full stack and mobile here. I'll do it for $200/hr and even use LLMs where useful so half the time is needed.
Unless you are a very well known expert in a certain niche, who the hell is paying $400/hr?
taurath 12 hours ago [-]
Plenty of places for whom the solution is worth far and away more money than the hourly to build it.
mujib77 1 days ago [-]
Honestly if people are still willing to pay $300/hr consistently, you’re probably doing something right
Most clients care more about results/reliability than whether every line was typed by hand.
Spoken like someone who charges by the hour.... you are incentivised to do things the slowest possible way...
Now, of course, slow might be better, or fast might be better, but you frame fast as "cheating" not as "inferior"... which is ... interesting..
Going forward, I am no longer hiring hourly rate devs. Either fixed rate project or full time as needed. No hourly.
Not when you have long-term (multi-years) clients. It's basically a very flexible permanent job, where you are free to bill from 0 up to full 40 or more hours per week.
Unless you are a very well known expert in a certain niche, who the hell is paying $400/hr?
Most clients care more about results/reliability than whether every line was typed by hand.